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Stephen Chen i agree. Also having had first hand experience with established architectural firms claiming 'green' status at the hands of graduates keen to impress. The big picture is perhaps establishing a requirement from our governing bodies (AIA in Australia) of base rate pay for those graduates and experienced archictects that the firms rely heavily upon to deliver the goods. There exists a blatent inequity that keeps spawning out these overambitious proposals without any recognition of the level of profession qualification of the people that actually produce the finished product. The reason why they are overambitious is because the firms have 'nothing to lose' because they are paying 'nothing' to produce it. Student bodies also have to show some integrity.