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Whether or not Sarah Gaventa attended Martha Schwartz's lecture is a moot point. Based solely on what Ms Schwartz herself has written in her "No" piece, her views are out-dated and one-dimensional, and as James wrote, crude. Her rebuttal seems to read as though Corbusier-style spaces are still in the asdendancy. How to landscape existing council block green space is an appropriately low priority. Building more council houses, flats and estates must be top of the agenda. If we can build new social housing and incorporate compatible high quality landscaping without it cutting into the budget for more housing, fine, But I and many other disenfranchised city-dwellers will vote for housing first and we'll do the landscaping ourselves.