Tuesday22 August 2017

Zaha Hadid: 'I don't see the point in doing a project badly'

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First woman architect to appear on Desert Island Discs in its 74-year history

Zaha Hadid hit back at suggestions she has a reputation for designing expensive buildings when she appeared on Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs this morning.

“You need to invest in the city fabric,” she declared.

Presenter Kirsty Young raised the Tokyo Olympic stadium saga and asked: “What proportion of your work does your company find in the end has to be shelved because there seem to be problems on cost? Because they are expensive buildings to build.”

Zaha Hadid

Zaha Hadid

Hadid ignored the question, saying: “The Japan thing is not about cost. I mean that’s their story but—. My view is that you either think about a building done long term or you do something which you can demolish in 10 years, or maybe 20. I don’t see the point in doing a project badly, [or doing a project] that has no idea.”

Eight million visitors a year flocked to her practice’s Dongdaemun Design Plaza in Seoul, she said, which underlined the importance of investing in the quality of public buildings.

Asked what happens when clients quibble over the budget she said: “You can reduce it but you can’t reduce it by half. You can shave certain things off to make it work.”

She also praised engineers like the late Peter Rice for helping architects realise things they feared might be unbuildable.

Hadid is only the ninth architect to be cast away in the programme’s 74-year history – and the first woman. Nicholas Grimshaw and Daniel Libeskind were the last two architects to feature, both in 2003 – though landscape architect and critic Charles Jencks was a guest in 2012.

The interview didn’t break any new ground, ranging from her childhood in Baghdad where she designed her own bedroom, via her spare time - “I don’t relax” - to the ethics of working for oppressive regimes.

Last time she was asked about that on Radio 4 – on the Today programme in September – she responded testily and eventually terminated the interview. This time she acknowledged that “it does” concern her, before re-stating her argument that nothing will change in countries with unpalatable governments unless architects make positive cultural contributions.

Young also raised the old chestnut of Hadid’s “tough” reputation which she dismissed as “nonsense”, suggesting people misinterpreted her failure to “overdo the flattery” as rudeness. Instead she said she was “taken advantage of all the time” because she was “too nice”.

  • The programme will be repeated on Friday morning and is available on iPlayer.

Life on a desert island

In one of the most amusing exchanges, Kirsty Young asked Zaha Hadid to use her “considerable powers of imagination to tell me what your shelter would be like”. Hadid did not cooperate.

Hadid: I’d live in a tent. I’d have to find some fabric or leaves. I’ll have to find local people.

Young: There’s no people around.

Hadid: Well I’m shelterless.

Book: Delirious New York by Rem Koolhaas

Luxury: Photographs from her childhood in Baghdad

Discs include:

The Ruins by Egyptian singer Umm Kulthum.

Holding Back the Years by Simply Red (reminds her of her office in the 90s when they pulled weeks of all-nighters to get projects out).

These Foolish Things by Bryan Ferry (she used to sing it).



Readers' comments (36)

  • "I’ll have to find local people”
    Get off your fat arse and construct : you’re bloody architect!!?
    Says it all : come here my little slaves and do my bidding!!!??? And Mick Hucknall : no wonder the buildings are so bizarre ?????

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  • Who would set out to do a project badly?

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  • SomeoneStoleMyNick

    Angie Stone's "Holding back the years" is much better.



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  • SomeoneStoleMyNick

    "Making positive cultural contributions" doesn't include designing museums to glorify dictators.

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  • Ghastly song choice.

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  • Austin Clegg

    @ grac mob- True, but wholly appropriate to her buildings.

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  • craig wilson

    "Ghastly song choice." -her "musical taste" was a real salve for me, knowing that all is not "perfect" in her constructed universe. Irony alert -please note that all words in parenthesis may mean their exact opposite! On another note, it is quite easy to start filling in with bland statements and go over old ground that got you worked up before when you are not getting questions you don't expect (as is expected of a decent journalist conducting an interview. Desert island discs is not an investigative interview, but rather a magazine programme that happens to meander through an already published back story (often helped by the interviewee providing the necessary information).

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  • Simply Red... I'd have topped myself if I had to listen to that AND do all-nighters.

    Zaha seems to be saying that cost directly correlates to quality, which is not true. Just look at Dr Dre's w**k headphones

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  • She has truly awful taste in music, like a high school student rather than an award winning architect.

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  • I didn't hear the Desert Island Disc programme.
    I was not surprised to read in your report that the Dame doesn't like it when clients quibble over budgets!. I would remind her of the cost to the UK taxpayer of her design for the Aquatic Centre at the 2012 Olympic Games which increased from a budget of £75M to a final cost £300M!.

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