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Simon I think your comments are extremely harsh even more so with the current climate for which post graduates have to try and find work and establish themselves in. So your not employing Part 1 graduates because they dont have the necessary detailing skills etc that you require? but if you listen to comments such as 'Paul from Yorkshire', it is of no fault of there own if they are not to the required level you are wanting they are merely following the practice that is put in front of them from their Universities and RIBA board. And the naïvety of your comments towards all post graduates for which i am of this level, I have left the country because of practices like you so I can find the work 'EXPERIENCE' needed for me to grow as an architect and am now working in Beijing on projects I would never work on the UK which probably surpass your practices work at every level and now after 6 months have vast knowledge on 'DETAILING' funny that really isn't it!